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The edit itself isn't bad, but the edit reason may be concerning.
For what it's worth, neither version of the explanation does a very good job explaining how the meme is used other than calling it "now-viral". In fact, the same can be said about most of the Memetic Mutation examples on that page.
My impression as well, RE: edit reasoning vs the edit itself. Frankly this example isn't even so much a traditional meme as a viral video about the work in question. If we had to keep it I'd rewrite along the lines of
But like you said this may not even qualify as a Memetic Mutation example by our definitions; I'd need to check.
Edited by Dirtyblue929
Yeah, I'm not even sure if this is even worthy as a Memetic Mutation entry. It's less about the game itself, and more about how this guy is reacting to pronouns in general. You could replace Starfield with literally any other game that gives the player pronoun options, and I think the reception towards this guy's reaction would pretty much be the same.
Hop a fence, leave the street and wet your feet to find the swimming pool...
This doesn't seem like it should even be documented, because not only is it not from the game, it's barely even about the game in terms of why I think people would find it memorable enough to be "memetic". It just seems like someone's angry rant that people are laughing at where Starfield is completely incidental to it.
Adding to everything that's been said, all of the memes I've chanced upon surrounding that video are poking at the melodramatic facial expressions he makes rather than using that quote, so I'm not even 100% sure the quote constitutes the majority of the meme.
Either way, the edit reason is rather troubling (particularly since it could be argued as simply untrue, given which groups of people are always the ones complaining and making it a "divisive" topic).
Edited by Akriloth2160 There's no place that you can hide/Something that's special
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Yeah this isn't even really a Starfield meme, it's more of a HeelsvsBabyface meme.
Edited by AudioSpeaks2 Frequent Wick Cleaner
There are two problems:
- The meme source is probably not the game but a specific reviewer, and may not be exclusive to Starfield
- Reactions and "popular videos" aren't memes. To be memes they'll have to be excessively reposted and edited by the public.
Jumping in here to concur with the people saying that it may not even qualify for Memetic Mutation, since that requires that a meme spread through cultural osmosis to the point where it loses its original identity. This one is far too recent for that to happen. (Edit: I am informed that we modified Memetic Mutation's definition. [sigh])
It's a classic example of recency bias in troping. As for the user who made the edit, a PM notification seems in order.
Edited by Fighteer "It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
We have a dedicated Memetic cleanup
thread, so the example itself can be reviewed there.
Following some mod discussion, I'll also flag it on the No recent examples thread, as there's a question about how long we should wait before troping something like this.
The HeelsvsBabyface quote is widely acknowledged as transphobic in the media, and I don't think the edit itself poses a ROCEJ problem in that regard.
The edit reason itself is more questionable, and has been noted (and removed).
Edited by Mrph1
Seems like it was not even about the pronouns themselves, even if that is the part that has gone viral. Apparently the rant was triggered by a character named Hadrian revealing to be the clone of a man, hours after Az started playing the game. At least according to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEP3ySei0E4 Whether this makes it more or less of a tantrum...
Disclaimer: I did not watch the stream where the rant happened, and I do not feel like searchiong through almost 30 hours of Starfield content just to verify the context.
Yeah, just cut it.
Following on from the comments above:
The edit reason has been dealt with and a notifier has been sent.
- In terms of whether it's a valid example or not, that's now on the Memetic X cleanup thread here.
- More generally, in terms of whether Memetic Mutation should have a No Recent Examples, Please! limit to ensure the meme lasts, it's on the NREP thread here.
Further discussion on those aspects should probably go to those dedicated threads, not ATT.
Locking up.
Edited by Mrph1
Possible agenda-based edit Videogame
This morning Tropers.Chucknorris 40 reworded a Memetic Mutation entry on YMMV.Starfield from this:
to this:
with the following edit reason:
The edit reason raised my eyebrow since I've seen the video in question and reactions to it from both sides of the political spectrum, and while I can understand that the original phrasing may not have been the most neutral, I don't think "tantrum" is by any means a controversial or subjective assessment of it — even the people I've seen sympathize with points that were raised in the rant have mostly expressed secondhand embarrassment at how explosively, childishly over-the-top it was.
Again, avoiding potentially inflammatory language I understand, but this feels almost like an attempt to sanitize our description of the rant to make its talking points sound more reasoned and valid. That said, Chucknorris 40 has a pretty short and sporadic edit history, so it's hard for me to say if there's any pattern or precedent here — this could be an innocent one-off thing.
Edited by Dirtyblue929