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Indentation-based edit war
On Call of the Wild Blue Yonder, Joysweeper had turned part of the Animorphs paragraph into a sub-bullet entry; since it was the only such entry related to the work, I reverted the edit and sent them an Indentation notifier.
Now they added back the improper indentation, with the only difference being that they expanded the preliminary part of the entry. They seem to believe that having a series-wide example and then a character-specific one justifies having the latter one as a lone sub-bullet example, which the indentation policy prohibits. Unfortunatley, I cannot revert the edit once again because I'd be edit-warring. I need permission to do the edit (also, I won't send them a notifier this time, because they didn't heed the advice last time).
Is Majora's Mask Low Fantasy Videogame
So Majora’s Mask is listed as Low Fantasy, but as a huge Majora’s Mask fan myself, I really think it doesn’t in any way fis Low Fantasy. I’m sure it was deleted in the past, but it looks like it was added back.
The entry claims Magic is less present than other Zelda games and that the plot of Majora's mask is more grounded with realistic things.
To list how magic is ‘’extremely’’ prominent as well as how the plot and the setting are not realistic.
- Far from using basic magic, Link can:
- Time Travel
- Slow down time as well as fast forward through time.
- Shapeshift into other people via healing their ghosts. One of these transformations (Fierce Deity), is even a creature, created by the memories of all the people of the land that Link befriended.
- Teleport
- Create decoys of himself.
- Summon a living Scarecrow.
- See and talk to ghosts, sometimes turning them into magical masks.
- Transform into a 50 foot tall giant.
- Turn his arrows into beams of Fire, Ice and Light.
- There’s many Fantastic monsters and creatures even by the standards of the Zelda series, whom are all treated as normal by regular citizens, including:
- Plant people that shoot bubbles or nuts and can fly with magical flowers.
- Rock people that can roll into balls and move at superhuman speeds.
- Fish people that run a rockband using sea animals as instruments.
- Fairies that are common knowledge and the citizens of town regularly visit.
- An entire valley and city composed of undead like Ghosts, Mummies, Skeletons and Zombies.
- Snowlems just outside town.
- Alien ghosts!
- Locations are extremely weird like a dungeon that you repeatedly have to change gravity in.
- Time Travel and shapeshifting via magical masks are central elements in general.
- The Big Bad is a demonic Evil Mask possessing an Undead Child and commanding a gigantic army of very strange monsters. He was also friends with the Giants that literally created the world he lives in.
- There’s a living scarecrow just walking around town that is treated as normal.
- Many ordinary citizens possess Masks of Power, they even explain to you bestow magical abilities upon their wearer.
- Gonk-ish witches are regular merchants.
- Other fantastic things include Talking Animals as well as Funny Animals, including a possibly Cybernetic beaver
- The Magic effects of the milk from the milkbar is well known and even a point of advertisement.
And I can’t find it at this moment, but in an interview, with one of the game’s writers, possibly Aonuma, he stated he added in whimsical and dream like elements into the game to offset another writer when he added scary stuff.
Make no mistake, I love Majora’s Mask, but it doesn’t seem to fit the trope at all.
Even in the Zelda series, I feel The Legend Of Zelda 1 is more Low Fantasy, though I don’t think it fits the trope either.
Edited by MonsundHow to add numbers and special characters to a page's title (but not the URL)?
Hello there. I'm hoping someone can answer my question, but moreso that I can articulate my question clearly.
Basically, I want to create a Let's Play page for Youtuber 8-BitRyan. I have gone through his entire Youtube playlist to figure out which games he's played and which ones have their own Tropes page, and I can add to the tropes that apply to Ryan's channel as I go. The problem I have is that I have to create the page as "EightBitRyan" since I can't have numbers in the URL...which is understandable.
However, what I'd like to know is how to title the page as "8-BitRyan" instead of "Eight Bit Ryan". I've seen a few trope pages over the years where the URL has the numbers typed out and special characters omitted, but the title of the page itself includes them. I'd like to know how to achieve this before I start creating the page.
Edited by danunplannedWar Hawk Title Collision
The War Hawk trope is two words, but the page title makes it look like one word. This is because it shares title space with VideoGame.Warhawk. Should we rename the video game's page?
How to refer to Characters who use Last Name Basis in Work pages
So for a lot of shows, characters are referred to by a Last-Name Basis. However, other characters in the same show may be referred to by their first names on the regular. From what I understand, we should refer to characters by whatever they're most called in-story. But wouldn't a mix of last name basis and first name basis characters be confusing?
For instance, in Kill Blue, the protagonist Juzo Ogami is referred to almost exclusively by his surname, Ogami. However, another member of the cast, Tenma Tendo, is referred to almost exclusively by his first name.
Discussing if Trivia/YMMV where?
I had some thoughts about if these tropes should be YMMV or Trivia instead.
- Grandfather Clause: YMMV because it's about audiences accepting X as too fundamental to the original to change, The Artifact being the narrative retaining such dated stuff. (Man of Steel showed nothing’s objectively stopping works from changing Grandfather Clause aspects save fan backlash.)
- Dead Fic and Orphaned Series: Trivia as it's about the works production as opposed to in-story.
Where is/is there a place to discuss making items Trivia/YMMV or not? And am I right in assuming such a change needs TRS?
"Nightmare of Druaga" work page misnamed? Videogame
I noticed that the work page "Nightmare of Druaga" shows the English cover as "The Nightmare of Druaga". Should all the related pages be moved to the correct name?
Tough Act To Follow clarification Film
Does this trope apply only to situations where the previous work was a smashing success, or can it be a tough act to follow due to how disastrous the previous installment was, making people turned off from the sole idea of a sequel? I know YMMV tropes can't be played with, further complicating matters (since it can't be listed as an inversion)
Question regarding transparent character images.
So I have a question to ask regarding transparent images/ I know we ideally like to have transparent images of characters (and I agree). But if there is official art of characters that has no official transparent art, but has been unofficially made transparent by someone else (For example, I know there are plenty of images on Deviant Art that are essentially official artwork but have been made transparent). Are those okay to use? Or does it fall under the same permission/do not use quota as using Fanart or unofficial posters since they are unofficially modified?
Edited by Tylerbear12I Launched a Trope and Messed Up
I recently launched my proposed trope Villainous Medical Care. Unfortunately, I forgot to remove something from the title and now it's Launching On 923 Villainous Medical Care. Is there a way for me to change the title? Or do I need to start the process all over again?
Creator/Iilluminaughtii: should this page even be here?
I'm going to put aside the controversy surrounding this YouTuber except to say the page was created after the controversy started.
Is her work even tropeable? I mean, she just does videos about multi-level marketing and corrupt corporations. There's not really a narrative or a story. And even then, most of the tropes listed are related to the drama surrounding her personal life.
I'm inclined to cutlist the page, but I don't want to jump the gun.
Edited by Spectracus"Stage Directions" When Quoting Text
When quoting a text work, is it acceptable to use the Bolded Name: + [bracketed actions] format when quoting text if it'd be cleaner or clearer than quoting the text in full? Or is it better to just leave the would-be bracketed part out altogether?
E.g., in the middle of a conversation:
The second one feels weird because "there" doesn't have a referent. It just feels incomplete. In some cases, it may also make it unclear that Bob is pointing towards Charlie. (The rules are, however, plenty clear that this is the correct format when you're solely quoting dialogue.)
The third one solves both of these problems, plus a third one: if including all the narration would be unnecessary, it lets you only mention the important parts (such as, potentially, just that he was pointing behind himself or just that he was pointing at Charlie). The (possible) problem that it's using a format that the rules imply is for visual media.
Edited by KestrelguyWould this count as an EditWar? Web Original
On Sep 5th 2021, I removed the Trope Informed Wrongness from the YMMV page of the fifth episode of Helluva Boss, due to said entry being Trope Misuse as a result of misconstruing the events of the episode.
On Dec 30th 2022, jOSEFdelaville added Informed Wrongness to the page again, but with a different entry. I believe this is also an example of misuse that misconstrues the events of the episode, as Millie wasn't the one who brought up the fact Moxxie had a gun, Moxxie himself did. Millie only said he didn't need to prove he was stronger physically after he lamented not being strong enough, saying basically to stick to his strengths when facing him this time. Moxxie was the one who said "I probably should have used this earlier, huh?" after remembering he had a gun on him, Millie's reaction being more exasperation when she sees him remember and make the comment. "I love ya hon, but for fucks sake."
Would it count as an Edit War if I removed the trope since I had already removed Informed Wrongness once before, even if it was a different entry?
Edited by RebelFalconPossible agenda-based edit Videogame
This morning Tropers.Chucknorris 40 reworded a Memetic Mutation entry on YMMV.Starfield from this:
- "FUCKIN' PRONOUNS! FUCKIN' GENDER AMBIGUITY! FUCKIN' CURRENT DAY CALIFORNIAN SHIT!" Explanation A line from a now-infamous video of Youtuber "Heels Vs Babyface" throwing a tantrum about the gender options in the start of the game.
to this:
- "FUCKIN' PRONOUNS! FUCKIN' GENDER AMBIGUITY! FUCKIN' CURRENT DAY CALIFORNIAN SHIT!" Explanation A line from a now-viral video of Youtuber "Heels Vs Babyface" ranting about the preferred pronoun options in the start of the game.
with the following edit reason:
The edit reason raised my eyebrow since I've seen the video in question and reactions to it from both sides of the political spectrum, and while I can understand that the original phrasing may not have been the most neutral, I don't think "tantrum" is by any means a controversial or subjective assessment of it — even the people I've seen sympathize with points that were raised in the rant have mostly expressed secondhand embarrassment at how explosively, childishly over-the-top it was.
Again, avoiding potentially inflammatory language I understand, but this feels almost like an attempt to sanitize our description of the rant to make its talking points sound more reasoned and valid. That said, Chucknorris 40 has a pretty short and sporadic edit history, so it's hard for me to say if there's any pattern or precedent here — this could be an innocent one-off thing.
Edited by Dirtyblue929Question about Newly-Created Account
On Sep 21st 2023 at 1:27:14 PM, Poppy Poyo made their first edit by removing this an entry involving MarinaVT citing that there was no proof.
There was proof of her harassment, and there has been proof of her confirming to harass people for merely playing Hogwarts Legacy. Initially, I decided to keep this private, but after some thinking, I decided it would be better to make this public.
Edited by Siegfried1337Question on cutlisting plagarised page
Recently, I ran across Recap.Lock Stock And Two Smoking Barrels, which was created by an editor who was suspended for large scale plagiarism and subsequently perma-banned for ban evasion several years ago. This article is one of many they copy/pasted wholesale from Wikipedia (it's only been edited once since then, with very minor tweaks to the wording).
However, the Wikipedia plot summary for the film has been heavily re-written in the four years since the Recap/ page was plagiarised from it. Should the page still be cut for consisting almost entirely of plagiarised content?
Edit war
On a House of the Dragon character page, under the listing for Aemond:
- Sep 19: Michonne5 added Eloquent in My Native Tongue (receipt)
- Sep 20: I removed Eloquent in My Native Tongue, explaining that the character merely speaks a second language. It's not his native language, nor is there any indication he's particularly eloquent in it. (receipt)
- Sep 20: Michonne 5 added Eloquent in My Native Tongue back verbatim. (receipt)
Upon looking into the history log, I also found:
- Mar 21: Michonne5 added Eloquent in My Native Tongue (receipt)
- June 27: woerer1 removed it, also saying it's not his native language (receipt)
Edit warring is an offense separate from the legitimacy of the edit, but just to explain why the trope doesn't fit:
Eloquent in My Native Tongue's laconic:
As woerer1 and I pointed out, Valyrian isn't Aemond's native language. Upon a closer look, I think that's not exactly the issue. (The trope has a slightly Non-Indicative Name; I think it could appropriately be used to talk about the contrast between someone's skill in their second vs. third language.) The real issue is that Michonne5 only mentions that Aemond speaks Valyrian. Not that he speaks it well or eloquently; not that he speaks another language poorly in contrast. Just that he speaks Valyrian, period. It's a contrastive trope and no contrast is mentioned.
Edited by EievieCut a page with mostly poorly written examples? Literature
I was doing a wick check for If You Call Before Midnight Tonight and found this work page for a children's book. It's filled with zero-context and poorly written examples (including linking a useful note as a trope example on a work page which isn't allowed). I see only two passably written examples on the page. Should we just cut this page?
ADDENDUM: Also, *batteries not included isn't on the Useful Notes page.
Edited by supernintendo128Gushing edit revert in an article Videogame
Recently, I cleaned up gushing in multiple articles discussed in this thread. One of them, VideoGame.Street Fighter II, was reverted by an editor who added back the gushing and claimed "no agreement was ever reached" although I cited the thread in edit reason. I sent a DM pointing to the thread a week ago but there's no response. What's the next option?
Questionable Pokémon Ensemble Darkhorse Removal Videogame
So, on EnsembleDarkhorse.Pokemon, ronis~ removed Tinkaton because, to directly quote the edit reason, "Much like Palafin, Tinkaton's more of a Base-Breaking Character than a full-on Darkhorse." This is literally the first time I have heard about her being base breaking in my life. Tinkaton is arguably one of Pokémon's biggest darkhorses, to the point that it's starting to approach Breakout Character given that it has achieved merch much quicker than it would have otherwise as an unannounced-prior-to-release random Fairy/Steel type. There is an entire article about Tinkaton on The Other Wiki that mostly exists to point out the unexpected popularity of the species. The closest thing to "base breaking" about Tinkaton that I have heard is criticism of her low Attack stat, which I wouldn't call a disqualifier. Permission to restore?